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Post your Desktop!

by pr_capone in

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time to show off how clean you keep your desktop!!!!!!

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Woohoo screen shots!!!!! Flashback to my Amiga days....

And are there no Linux or even (gasp) Mac users on the board???? Microsoft is almost as evil as the Watchtower. Wake up people!!!!

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From Bill Bowen "Who Pays for Abuse?"

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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the following is a message that bill bowen e-mailed to everyone on the silentlambs mailing list on january 20th 2003 (bold was added by me):.

who pays for child abuse?.

by bill bowen, founder of http://www.silentlambs.org.

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If the Watchtower is sued out of physical existence is this the action from Jehovah that members are waiting for?

God works in mysterious ways. Perhaps some of our prayers will be answered after all!!!

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i just read a couple of threads related to this topic but would like some comments directly related to the issue of clergy privilege (c-p) and the jws.. if clergy penitent privilege refers to the right for a member of the clergy to remain silent concerning criminal acts disclosed to him by the person who committed the criminal act then does this privilege apply to jw elders?.

if a victim of abuse or their family goes to an elder to disclose they are the victim of abuse in the congregation and asking for assistance does c-p apply?

if the elder goes to the accused and asks him whether he did it and the accused says "no" was there a confession requiring c-p?.

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Yeru,

NO the Clergy Client Privelege doesn't apply if it's the victim that tells.

Somehow I think this fact is overlooked in many cases, either through ignorance or through elders trying to keep a lid on things.

Lady Lee

I go to the elders to see what I can do and what they can do.

This is the first instinct a loyal witness has, of course. It's been drilled into them for so long. They should go to the police first, but they don't. Or they wait for permission to report to the police. Why????? The Society will say, we never told them they could not go to the police. Technically they did not. They don't have to say it.

So how do you break that mindset?

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JW Facts for the Media

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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" (awake!, august 22nd 1967 issue, pages 27-28).

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Mary, Kenneson

just to clarify:

I don't make blood policy for the Watchtower. I don't enforce it. I don't understand it. I don't agree with it.

ok?

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Dinosaurs, Aliens and the Watchtower

by figureheaduk in

does anybody know what the watchtower's teachings on dinosaurs are (except for the ones that make up the governing body!

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One explanation I heard was that after the third creative day, there was all this vegetation run amuck, since there were no animals to eat plants, so Jehovah made these big critters to mow it all down. Then of course, they had accomplished their purpose and they died off. Not sure this is actually out of a WT publication, but I did hear it at a Kingdom Hall.

The Aid book, printed in the early 70's, declares that if any dinosaurs were still alive at the time of the flood, they would have been wiped out at that time. Noah of course took two representatives of the lizard kind into the ark, just not dinosaurs.

Yes, this was the 1970's.

I am not making this stuff up.

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Clergy privilege and JWs

by Lady Lee in

i just read a couple of threads related to this topic but would like some comments directly related to the issue of clergy privilege (c-p) and the jws.. if clergy penitent privilege refers to the right for a member of the clergy to remain silent concerning criminal acts disclosed to him by the person who committed the criminal act then does this privilege apply to jw elders?.

if a victim of abuse or their family goes to an elder to disclose they are the victim of abuse in the congregation and asking for assistance does c-p apply?

if the elder goes to the accused and asks him whether he did it and the accused says "no" was there a confession requiring c-p?.

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The other part of this that has always been a little vague is this: does it cover an individual who is the perpetrator, or does it also apply to the victim who comes to the clergy member for help? It seems that the WT would like to throw the confidential rug over both cases. To me, it seems a clergy member should be obligated to report that there is a victim, even if he is under some kind of restraint from naming the perpetrator.

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JW Facts for the Media

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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" (awake!, august 22nd 1967 issue, pages 27-28).

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Ok here's a couple that need clarifying,

* Jehovah's Witnesses forbid women from holding any position of authority inside their Organization:

Unless there are no male members of the congregation. I have known several women who have held positions at one time or another.

* Jehovah's Witnesses forbid their members from receiving Blood Transfusions:

Actually, they allow all kinds of transfusions nowadays, just not whole blood cells.

* Jehovah's Witnesses forbid their members from participating in anything political, including voting in elections.

Officially, there is no sanction on voting. Each witness is free to follow his conscience.

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(of the nit-picking class today)

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Any theories why sudden growth in WTS?

by Mr Bean in

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lately is observed some small growth in wts troops.

any idea what is causing it?

i've heard that an age of baptized new members has dropped and 9/11 makes an impact.

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The other reason elders can't call on the non-attenders and "encourage" them is because they are just as guilty of poor meeting attendance as everyone else. For several months, I decided to take a look around the half-empty hall during the school-service meetings and tally up how many elders were missing. Usually there were 50% of the elders present, hardly ever did we have all elders present. My attendance at the book study was also much higher than any of the servants assigned to our group.

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